tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1741846153994601431.post470624876938038921..comments2009-08-21T18:21:41.131-04:00Comments on Ohio Digital TV: Sorting Through The WJW MessOhio Media Watchhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07003503894299610300noreply@blogger.comBlogger15125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1741846153994601431.post-60523964036040470672009-06-29T15:16:08.461-04:002009-06-29T15:16:08.461-04:00What's confusing to me (to get on the Cincinna...What's confusing to me (to get on the Cincinnati Channel 9 bandwagon) is why I could receive Channel 9 just fine prior to the conversion (with occasional weak signals that required an antenna adjustment), and now I cannot receive it at all. I hoped that the move of the transmitter to the top of the tower would fix things, but things are just worse.<br /><br />Does anyone know if the work on the transmitter has been completed? The ETA was 6/26, three days ago.Meridian13113https://www.blogger.com/profile/09244667838915537561noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1741846153994601431.post-41787612871451041182009-06-19T23:57:13.214-04:002009-06-19T23:57:13.214-04:00Many years ago I lived in Wooster. By many years a...Many years ago I lived in Wooster. By many years ago I mean when WAKR-TV was channel 49. Receiving channels 3,5,8 was a real challenge, especially WJW-8. Looks like decades later, nothing has changed and now it is worse. I bet<br />there is not a shred of signal from WJW-DT-8 over the city of WoosterUnknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07169319011021081762noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1741846153994601431.post-21513706887189823052009-06-19T15:05:14.944-04:002009-06-19T15:05:14.944-04:00I just sent a complaint to the FCC via their websi...I just sent a complaint to the FCC via their website at: <br /><br />https://esupport.fcc.gov/sform2000/formF!input.action?form_page=2000F<br /><br />I urge you to do something similar. Maybe we can get some help from them.<br /><br />"I am writing this to complain about the digital tv switch here in Cleveland. Both WJW and WOIO decided to move to the vhf band after the switch. Neither I now many of my neighbors are able to recieve that signal anymore. This is disturbing since we have always recieved a good signal from both channels in the past. I have purchased and installed 2 different VHF roof mounted antennas and connected them to a new television set via RG6 cable. This was a considerable expense yet I am still unable to recieve either channel. I do not believe that either WJW or WOIO are delivering an OTA signal to their licensed area. A quick internet search has confirmed that there are hundreds of other people complaining about this signal as well. An informative blog has been setup regarding this topic at http://ohiodigitaltv.blogspot.com/ I urge you to read the many complaints and work with WJW and WOIO to restore programming to their licensed area. Thank you for your time."stilesechttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16664740694476785369noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1741846153994601431.post-47038048540550733252009-06-19T13:42:42.715-04:002009-06-19T13:42:42.715-04:00Something I'm learning is if there is a weak l...Something I'm learning is if there is a weak link in any part of an antenna system as it relates to reception is a difference of getting a signal, or not getting a signal, or one that 'stalls' or jutters. I just installed some high quality Monster cable on one set, and it cleared up the channel 19 blues on one set. Another set did a little better, but the signals from both tv 8 and tv 19 remain too weak. Like I said, good quality cable can make a difference, pay extra for the Monster stuff and stay away from the radio shack store brands and generic garbage you'll find at Walmart. Just a little advice you might thank me for down the line!-)<br /><br />- Andrew, MALL727.net -Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1741846153994601431.post-20894242853662499142009-06-18T16:26:50.091-04:002009-06-18T16:26:50.091-04:00Here in Brimfield (just south of Kent) with a roof...Here in Brimfield (just south of Kent) with a rooftop antenna with rotor on a two story house without a preamp I am able to pick up 8 & 19 without much difficulty. Would love to get Erie,PA, Wheeling, Steubenville and Pitt if possible. Is anyone in the portage county area able to get any stations from those areas?JBhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09550757891216350417noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1741846153994601431.post-30958901707417708032009-06-17T15:51:27.688-04:002009-06-17T15:51:27.688-04:00This one's weird; using a set of old straight ...This one's weird; using a set of old straight rabbit ears only I'm getting WWJ-TV (although not very strong, it does come in) but no WOIO even though I can see the blinking lights from my house on top of a hill in Sagamore Hills on the other side of the Cuyahoga River valley...Ed Espositohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03654277416250326746noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1741846153994601431.post-3723569491928320742009-06-17T14:06:08.671-04:002009-06-17T14:06:08.671-04:00My grandparents have never had cable. They had a C...My grandparents have never had cable. They had a C-Band satellite back in the early 80s before everything got scrambled, and OTA analog since. This transition has finally pushed them to get Time Warner out and install the standard $58.99 cable package. I had set up with a new antenna on a 20ft mast with proper grounding and aim last July in preparation for the transition. They went without an NBC channel in digital since WKYC was on an unusable channel 2 and WNWO out of Toledo was substantially weaker than the other Toledo stations. Once they got wind of the channel 8 problems, which they received fine before the move back to 8, they had had enough.<br /><br /> I know some say this transition was partly to help push people to pay services, and I used to discount those claims, but this VHF DTV problem is inexcusable IMHO. They need to find reasonable UHF channel allocations for these stations and get it fixed ASAP. From all the reading I've done here and on other sites, a simple power increase will not solve the interference problems that plague VHF DTV.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06095306466453709007noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1741846153994601431.post-66256170516746478832009-06-17T13:23:10.624-04:002009-06-17T13:23:10.624-04:00Interestingly, the "consumer guru" on WC...Interestingly, the "consumer guru" on WCPO, John Matarese, posted a number of answers to FAQs related to DTV on the station website, and got it spectacularly wrong on at least one note. He claimed that VHF was the "standard" for digital channels, not UHF, saying that Cincinnati was "unusual" among markets in having a majority of stations broadcasting their digital signals on UHF. Wrong, wrong, wrong.<br /><br />I think he was attempting to excuse the problems in Cincinnati, especially on WCPO-9 (RF 10) -- in a way, blaming stores for selling people UHF-only antennas. There may be SOME truth to that, but stating that VHF is the "standard" has no basis.<br /><br />By my calculation, stations broadcasting digital signals on UHF outnumber VHF stations by about 3 to 1 in this country...emery_rhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07870661804526939428noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1741846153994601431.post-63314759604782418962009-06-17T13:15:44.177-04:002009-06-17T13:15:44.177-04:00Here in Doylestown I had a solid WJW-DT signal for...Here in Doylestown I had a solid WJW-DT signal for 2 years running. After a post-transition rescan the channel became very iffy with lots of dropouts. Using my roof mounted deep fringe antenna with rotor I found I can correct this problem moving the antenna off the current "receive call channels" sweet spot. The new RF-8 has very little margin for aiming error where the old RF-31 gave me a good 75 degree arc of excellent signal. <br /><br />I prefer to keep the antenna in the sweet spot so I can also have Youngstown's 27.1 WKBN signal to replace the troubled WOIO for CBS viewing. Their subchannel 27.2 is the Fox affiliate so I suppose I'll be dumping WJW for them. I'm not sure how they manage to put a 720p resolution on both channels but they look good.<br /><br />I do like the idea of switching WOIO to 43.2 and This TV to 19.1 but I doubt that is the solution Raycom is looking for.Mr. Clemhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12809074144909409553noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1741846153994601431.post-40437158890339109132009-06-17T12:09:26.046-04:002009-06-17T12:09:26.046-04:00I thought I would note this as well.
I do have a ...I thought I would note this as well.<br /><br />I do have a rather large rooftop antenna with a pre-amp on top of a 2 story house. I'm able to get RF-8. I'm able to get RF-10 a majority of the time too except when band conditions get swirly. I've since lost WTOV on 9 in Steubenville when they went digital, and I've also lost VHF and UHF stations from Erie (I expected this especially from WICU RF-12 which is way underpowered at 5.4KW ERP). Anyway, I e-mailed WTOV about a day after their transition back in April to mention my inability to receive their digital signal especially when their analog came in reasonably well. I got a response from the engineer asking what kind of setup I was using, and he mentioned that I may be able to get their station again when the power was increased; it didn't fix the situation. (There has always been a presence of their DTV signal on the s-meter)<br /><br />An interesting anomaly that I've noticed is that distant DTV signals seem to come in stronger here during periods of wet weather. I have been trying to figure out why for the longest time. I originally thought that strong adjacent analog signals were to blame for my lack of signal strength during good weather. I figured that precipitation attenuated the analog signals just enough that the converter box was better able to see the digital signal. However, that hypothesis has gone out the window now since analog has gone away. I still can only get Erie (UHF only) and Steubenville reliably when the weather is crummy as it is today. My only other conclusion is that it may be an issue of multi path interference. I think that the weaker multi path signal is attenuated just enough by the wet weather that the direct signal comes through clearly. In WTOV's case, I would always get some form of multi path on their analog signal a majority of the time; especially when the weather was clear. It was no big deal for analog because the multi path was just barely noticeable, but it was there none the less.<br /><br />I've read that 8VSB signals (the standard used in the US) do not like multi path, and enough multi path interference (which doesn't seem to be much in my opinion) starts messing up the data received at the digital receiver to the point where it's not watchable. Does anyone have any thoughts about my idea? I cannot come up with any other reason as to why DTV signals on VHF and UHF work better in wet weather.Andrew Jhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10530352530315401118noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1741846153994601431.post-13946170605512381202009-06-17T09:24:29.066-04:002009-06-17T09:24:29.066-04:00Eric, from previous postings on this blog, for now...Eric, from previous postings on this blog, for now I would guess that's your best option. Remember though it MUST be VHF-Capable.J. Moseshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10897740943493788382noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1741846153994601431.post-44787249261366124912009-06-17T09:01:09.393-04:002009-06-17T09:01:09.393-04:00Whoops - my bad.
The current WCPO DTV facility is...Whoops - my bad.<br /><br />The current WCPO DTV facility is at 272 m HAAT at 16.3 kW ERP, its planned facility is at 305 m HAAT at 15.4 kW ERP. WKRC's authorized/currently operating DTV facility is at 305 m HAAT also, but operating at a slightly higher 15.551 kW ERP.J. Moseshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10897740943493788382noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1741846153994601431.post-21486043010613676682009-06-17T08:58:47.373-04:002009-06-17T08:58:47.373-04:00This may be a silly question after all that has be...This may be a silly question after all that has been said, but what's the best recommendation for someone in Cuyahoga Falls (44221) to get WJW and WOIO? <br /><br />Antennaweb and tvfool say our address should be in full signal strength category, but I can't get those 2 channels at all. 19 has never come in well, but 8.1 came in perfect up until the VHF switch. I've tried several indoor antennas, and smaller outdoor. Will a large antenna mounted on the roof be strong enough (2 story house)? Nobody seems to have concrete answers regarding those 2 stations. Thanks in advance!Erichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08546292402206034547noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1741846153994601431.post-88455282861451004302009-06-17T08:58:00.655-04:002009-06-17T08:58:00.655-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.J. Moseshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10897740943493788382noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1741846153994601431.post-14361615735613536682009-06-17T08:38:30.226-04:002009-06-17T08:38:30.226-04:00Scott isn't entirely wrong about the high-band...Scott isn't entirely wrong about the high-band VHF issues in Cincinnati - but he's not totally right, either.<br /><br />WCPO-DT is upgrading their RF 10 facility. In order to do this, they first have to take down their analog antenna from atop the tower (which would be a challenge with the recent string of bad weather days with the weather pattern we're currently in down here in SW OH/N KY - it's a risk to workers to be up there in bad weather), then mount a new antenna for the RF 10 signal (which is licensed to operate at 15.4 kW ERP according to the FCC filings) atop the tower, and finally take down the temporary antenna they have been using since they put up their digital signal. It was earlier anticipated that the WCPO fully authorized facility wouldn't light up for 2 weeks - now it looks as though, unless they can get a decent stretch of good weather, that won't happen until July at earliest. <br /><br />However, WKRC-DT 12 IS operating at their fully authorized facility, and is having major issues. So what might wind up happening is a similar suggestion to what WHDH is doing...with WKRC perhaps asking for an STA to re-start the RF 31 facility for supplemental use.J. Moseshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10897740943493788382noreply@blogger.com